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Posts: 68 06/23/09 7:07 AM	Tags : None So, Until recently I was living in southern New Mexico. I began to have my first dreaming episodes there, and it seemed that they'd occur once or twice a month. The exceptions were whenever I was sick and then it would take me some time to get my energy level back up again. I was doing daily recap and meditation in order to maintain any gains I'd made and was usually pretty careful in my dreaming to not waste a lot of energy doing things just for the hell of it. A couple of months ago, I moved to the Phoenix area. Since then, I haven't been in dreaming. I've had the dreams where you know you're dreaming but don't have the energy necessary to pull yourself into the dream. I've been doing my recap and meditation and I've even begun to have initial sensations of moving directly from waking into a dream. What I'm trying to figure out here is exactly what has changed my dreaming -if it's some tension in my own structure that is getting in the way, or if it is related to the energy of the Earth being different in different places. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Besides that - Whether it's relevant to my own situation or not, I figure it still brings up the obvious question -how much is our dreaming dependent upon where we are physically located?
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Posts: 894 06/23/09 8:45 AM Outlaw	mothsdream wrote: So, Until recently I was living in southern New Mexico. I began to have my first dreaming episodes there, and it seemed that they'd occur once or twice a month. The exceptions were whenever I was sick and then it would take me some time to get my energy level back up again. I was doing daily recap and meditation in order to maintain any gains I'd made and was usually pretty careful in my dreaming to not waste a lot of energy doing things just for the hell of it. A couple of months ago, I moved to the Phoenix area. Since then, I haven't been in dreaming. I've had the dreams where you know you're dreaming but don't have the energy necessary to pull yourself into the dream. I've been doing my recap and meditation and I've even begun to have initial sensations of moving directly from waking into a dream. What I'm trying to figure out here is exactly what has changed my dreaming - if it's some tension in my own structure that is getting in the way, or if it is related to the energy of the Earth being different in different places. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Besides that - Whether it's relevant to my own situation or not, I figure it still brings up the obvious question - how much is our dreaming dependent upon where we are physically located? There are a couple of things that can happen to hamper dreaming, the first is that you are in a stalking mode, meaning that your assemblage point is being kept still. The second reason is that your energy is low, due to sickness or stress. More times than not, it is that you are in an environment that is simply causing your AP to be more fixed. I've lived all over the place, and I've found that some areas are more conducive to dreaming than others, and that those places are better of course. Western society in general is awake, stalking and reasoning oriented, so it is a challenge to sorcerers to live in western society. My guess is that, although there is nothing "wrong" with Phoenix, the fact that it subdues your dreaming will eventually start to disturb your equanimity. It is good to take a break from dreaming once in awhile, but in the long run, maybe you should have stayed in New Mexico. The Earth manifests preliminary forces at any given spot, then those forces attract people to them that reinforce the particular energies. The ideal location would help you dream, feel healthy and clear headed too. "The reason sorcerers have to take energy from the realm of inorganic beings is because there is no other viable energy for sorcerers." --Don Juan Matus http://nagual.yuku.com/
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Posts: 68 06/24/09 7:42 AM	thank you, dreamways, for your help! i hope i will have some better news sooner rather than later. in this matter, will storing more energy make any difference?
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Posts: 894 06/24/09 8:54 AM Outlaw	mothsdream wrote: thank you, dreamways, for your help! i hope i will have some better news sooner rather than later. in this matter, will storing more energy make any difference? Well, storing energy can't hurt. A couple of things that you could focus on at the moment are, firstly, is their anything that you could do to take advantage of this non-dreaming environment while you are there? Maybe some linear waking-world kinds of issues. Secondly, you could figure out what it is going to take to get you out of there. In my experience, the areas in the world that give you energy are more likely to cause dreaming, and the places that make you stop dreaming are sucking your energy away. But, energy is like money, when most people get it in their hands they just blow it, so, in the end, it ends up being trivial. Often, when people are in a low energy environment, they are more careful with it. Like when you are living on a budget, it is common to be disciplined in other areas of your life as well. Sometimes, being poor or lacking energy is the best thing for you, if you don't have any self control. The current economic crisis has shown that every country that was capable of going nuts with under-regulation of their banking, did so - they acted just like individuals with no self-control. Sometimes, people with excessive amounts of energy or money become corrupt and even insane. So, energy is a blessing and a curse. Like I keep saying, everything depends on discipline, dreaming or awake. A major reason that sorcerers (people who commune with inorganic beings) drift away from beneficial areas of the Earth is the lack of a nagual leader. This is the most significant problem in the world of sorcerers today. Sorcerers without a purpose are at a disadvantage. There are some "demi-naguals" running around, but they are second and third rate solutions in my opinion. It's not that nothing is going on energetically in the world, the problem is that we have come to a major transition of power in the nagual, and it will take a huge leap across the chasm to engage it. So, there are basically two ways to get to the new nagualism, one is to jump the gap and the other is to be born on the other side. For the Castaneda generation, it will take something along the lines of reaching the third attention to get there, and this is basically a near-death experience (not pretty). And this brings me to the subject of "jumping dreams." Castaneda called it "jumping grooves" within the wheel of time, and this is what has to be done, but most people can't use his description to make anything happen. The new nagual has a new dream and we have to jump over to it. Of course, when it come to any kind of dream exploitation, you know who already knows all about it, the death defiers. They have shown me that they have occasionally found themselves living in organic worlds that were cataclysmically destroyed, and they had to basically "leap out of a burning house" to the safety of another world. We need to use the same technique, but for a different reason. I've been looking it over and it seems like it would be quite rocky. Therefore, I have also been consulting with inorganic beings on the matter, going over a softer but slower and less accurate technique they know of, doing it in stages. "The reason sorcerers have to take energy from the realm of inorganic beings is because there is no other viable energy for sorcerers." --Don Juan Matus http://nagual.yuku.com/
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Posts: 894 06/24/09 2:42 PM Outlaw	When I talk about getting to the new nagual, I mean getting back to a feeling of connectedness that we had when Carlos was alive. Regardless of whether or not a particular follower of his path was totally on board with his direction, there was still the feeling of reaping a certain amount of energy from him. What seems to be happening now is that people's sorceric experiences are more random, their dreaming is continuing unguided. What the inorganic beings have suggested is that we basically use the stepping stone approach to align ourselves with the new nagual, because shifting over from the Castaneda path to the new path all at once would require going into the third attention, which can be very risky. I think that the way to go about it is to scout out the people that the inorganic beings have specified in person, then have other people follow up if I think its on target. This amounts to finding people who are able to move assemblage points by their mere presence, just a bit, nothing extreme. But, from that position, the next position will be possible to acquire without too much stress. The intent, the whole time, would be to get to the new living wellspring of the nagual, to the doorstep of whoever that might be. Without having your assemblage point fairly close to where it should be, the new nagual would be invisible to you. You would not see or hear or understand them at all, if you walked by them, you would have that feeling you get when you wake up from a powerful dream that you just can't remember. "The reason sorcerers have to take energy from the realm of inorganic beings is because there is no other viable energy for sorcerers." --Don Juan Matus http://nagual.yuku.com/
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Posts: 68 06/24/09 2:58 PM	thank you for all your help in this matter - i'll keep working with what what i'm given for the time being. there are things to be done here, with the energy that's here right now, until the right scenario presents itself. i am curious as to what in specific happens to people whose equanimity is disturbed (as you put it) in this style. for right now, as i said, i haven't been in dreaming... but i still sense something happening-and I have the feeling that when I do dream again, something will be very different. about the new sorcery - this is really interesting stuff. it sounds like, due to the fact that everyone is scattered all over the place, most of the details have been left to a handful of scouts? sounds like a ton of work for just a couple of people. does this mean that the next steps in the new sorcery involve finding these shift-inducing people and co-ordinating meetings between them and other sorcerers? are all of these individuals known already? should we be doing something to help, or just waiting for an impromptu meeting with an entity with more power? Last Edited By: mothsdream 06/24/09 3:12 PM. Edited 1 time.
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Posts: 894 06/24/09 10:16 PM Outlaw	mothsdream wrote: thank you for all your help in this matter - i'll keep working with what what i'm given for the time being. there are things to be done here, with the energy that's here right now, until the right scenario presents itself. i am curious as to what in specific happens to people whose equanimity is disturbed (as you put it) in this style. for right now, as i said, i haven't been in dreaming... but i still sense something happening-and I have the feeling that when I do dream again, something will be very different. about the new sorcery - this is really interesting stuff. it sounds like, due to the fact that everyone is scattered all over the place, most of the details have been left to a handful of scouts? sounds like a ton of work for just a couple of people. does this mean that the next steps in the new sorcery involve finding these shift-inducing people and co-ordinating meetings between them and other sorcerers? are all of these individuals known already? should we be doing something to help, or just waiting for an impromptu meeting with an entity with more power? Here is the problem, the new nagual, as a person, is way ahead of his time. Therefore, anyone older than 25 would probably not recognize him. At this time on Earth, there are people with cutting edge awareness, just like the nagual, and that is why they will follow him. They see what the future really is, they know that they are it. The Castaneda generation is over, there is nothing left to draw upon for them, they will just go quietly in the night - they are not supposed to find the new nagual. But, there are people like me walking around, people who are sensitive enough to energy to detect this new type of awareness. Does this mean that I also have the ability to drag myself out of the grave and catch up with them? Probably not, but I can try. Just because I find the energy of the new nagual more agreeable than that of Castaneda, doesn't mean that everything about him seems familiar. In fact, I found that the reason I don't find many traces of him in dreaming is because he tends to stay in areas which I avoid. To me, therefore, this guy's dreaming is strange. All that any scout can do here is try to dream their way to him, or or even a step towards him, and then report back on anything that seems noteworthy. For as annoying as I found Castaneda to be to me personally, I naturally dreamed where he dreamed, I flew on the same wind. "The reason sorcerers have to take energy from the realm of inorganic beings is because there is no other viable energy for sorcerers." --Don Juan Matus http://nagual.yuku.com/
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Posts: 68 06/25/09 8:11 AM	i'll post this here just to keep it in line with the thread that i started, and in case it is useful to anyone - i mentioned before that i hadn't been dreaming in months - though i did have, from time to time, sensations of my dreaming body slipping over into waking. don't know if that means anything. it was very disheartening as it once seemed that my dreaming body had been moving along fairly quickly. i kept coming across some mp3s brainwave entrainment...binaural stuff. i decided to give it a go -and lo and behold the second time i used it i wound up in dreaming. i managed to go into this dream directly from waking - which was a very cool experience that i'd been trying to manage for quite some time now. i "woke up" in bed and managed to drag myself up and out of it but -man was it hard... it felt like the most drugged i'd ever been in my life...and it was difficult to stay awake. the dream was full of people -it was like i was in a warehouse of them. there was really nothing that could be done except for to talk with them about their representations. tried to find scouts to no avail, and all i could manage was to make things disappear one at a time (rather than the whole scene at once). i changed dreams three times, but always wound up surrounded by people. i went for the basics and tried to reinforce my body, the things around me...you know. in other words, pretty ordinary lucid dreaming stuff - but useful anyway. been doing a lot of recap, and maybe that's why there was so much psychological content. so far, it seems like it's difficult to wake up in dreaming here and actually stay there. i think i mentioned before that i'd noticed i was dreaming but couldn't pull myself into the dream. finally i managed to do it, and the dream was very clear after what seemed like a large effort -albeit less sorceric than my dreams normally are. on another, more on-topic note, how do any of us figure out which nagual we are energetically linked with? Last Edited By: mothsdream 06/25/09 1:42 PM. Edited 1 time.
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Posts: 894 06/25/09 3:11 PM Outlaw	mothsdream wrote: i'll post this here just to keep it in line with the thread that i started, and in case it is useful to anyone - i mentioned before that i hadn't been dreaming in months - though i did have, from time to time, sensations of my dreaming body slipping over into waking. don't know if that means anything. it was very disheartening as it once seemed that my dreaming body had been moving along fairly quickly. i kept coming across some mp3s brainwave entrainment...binaural stuff. i decided to give it a go -and lo and behold the second time i used it i wound up in dreaming. i managed to go into this dream directly from waking - which was a very cool experience that i'd been trying to manage for quite some time now. i "woke up" in bed and managed to drag myself up and out of it but -man was it hard... it felt like the most drugged i'd ever been in my life...and it was difficult to stay awake. the dream was full of people -it was like i was in a warehouse of them. there was really nothing that could be done except for to talk with them about their representations. tried to find scouts to no avail, and all i could manage was to make things disappear one at a time (rather than the whole scene at once). i changed dreams three times, but always wound up surrounded by people. i went for the basics and tried to reinforce my body, the things around me...you know. in other words, pretty ordinary lucid dreaming stuff - but useful anyway. been doing a lot of recap, and maybe that's why there was so much psychological content. so far, it seems like it's difficult to wake up in dreaming here and actually stay there. i think i mentioned before that i'd noticed i was dreaming but couldn't pull myself into the dream. finally i managed to do it, and the dream was very clear after what seemed like a large effort -albeit less sorceric than my dreams normally are. on another, more on-topic note, how do any of us figure out which nagual we are energetically linked with? There is a chance that your dream took place deep in the inorganic world, sort of the ground floor. At that location, the dream environment is very heavy, as if there is too much energy available. You would be seeing the inorganic beings in their "waking state," the place from which they project their scouts. They are pretty much immobile in that location, I personally have never seen them move around there, they just stand in one spot. They don't feel like scouts there because they are not scouts, to me, they look like zombies I guess. If that was the inorganic world, it is the place where their energy is highest and where you can absorb quite a bit just by hanging out there. When you wake up from those dreams, you should be able feel the energy very strongly for several hours afterwards. Naguals, in general, are a source of energy, so being around them should improve your ability to dream and see energy, or, at least be able to relate to sorcery better. The naguals that are energetically linked to you should seem more relevant. A nagual with great power can be relevant to just about anyone though. "The reason sorcerers have to take energy from the realm of inorganic beings is because there is no other viable energy for sorcerers." --Don Juan Matus http://nagual.yuku.com/
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Posts: 68 06/26/09 6:57 AM	hm... there are some dreams i have which are incredibly light... beautiful places, strange people... and i am very light. they're easy to wake up in and still in and move around in. notably there are strange moons, lots of water, and people that look as if they would be middle eastern. there are others i have which seem very difficult to wake in. it's as if my eyes don't want to open and i struggle initially to keep them open -and then i struggle to make connections with things to prevent any lag time that might cause me to fall back into regular dreams. once i do finally wake up, these are pretty concrete. it seems that the more people are around, the "heavier" i find the dream to be. i just assumed it was associated with my own psychology...still working on the recap, i figured the more people were there, the more "clutter" and therefore the heavier the dream. anyway... this reminded me of something i wanted to ask: how come, in dreaming, it seems that people start to follow you around? in my dreams, where there are people, they begin to follow behind me like i'm the pied piper or something. at late points in the dream, i'll turn around and there will be like twenty people walking behind me. i also notice that once i'm awake, everyone pretty much stops talking or doing much of anything. if i'm watching across a room, they might involved in something, but if i'm close by, they all clam up and just hover around me. what is that about?
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Posts: 894 06/26/09 10:02 AM Outlaw	mothsdream wrote: hm... there are some dreams i have which are incredibly light... beautiful places, strange people... and i am very light. they're easy to wake up in and still in and move around in. notably there are strange moons, lots of water, and people that look as if they would be middle eastern. there are others i have which seem very difficult to wake in. it's as if my eyes don't want to open and i struggle initially to keep them open -and then i struggle to make connections with things to prevent any lag time that might cause me to fall back into regular dreams. once i do finally wake up, these are pretty concrete. it seems that the more people are around, the "heavier" i find the dream to be. i just assumed it was associated with my own psychology...still working on the recap, i figured the more people were there, the more "clutter" and therefore the heavier the dream. anyway... this reminded me of something i wanted to ask: how come, in dreaming, it seems that people start to follow you around? in my dreams, where there are people, they begin to follow behind me like i'm the pied piper or something. at late points in the dream, i'll turn around and there will be like twenty people walking behind me. i also notice that once i'm awake, everyone pretty much stops talking or doing much of anything. if i'm watching across a room, they might involved in something, but if i'm close by, they all clam up and just hover around me. what is that about? I think that the best thing to do here is for you to point at them and declare your intent to see their energy. If they don't have any energy, then they are just psychological projections from yourself, and you can use the content of those dreams as simple dream symbolism. If they do have energy, then you are having a sorceric dream, which is the result of power. Dreams that have energy, have it because they are reality, and therefore they have consequences. Dreaming consequences adjust your energy, move your assemblage point and affect your fate. "The reason sorcerers have to take energy from the realm of inorganic beings is because there is no other viable energy for sorcerers." --Don Juan Matus Subscribe to the Nagual forum!
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Posts: 68 08/13/09 8:48 AM	last night i became lucid in a dream naturally (that is, not using binaural entrainment) for the first time since coming to phoenix a couple of months ago. the initial dream was relatively unimportant, i think, but extremely lucid. i was able to affect a lot of changes in the environment with my will...changing objects, etc. the dream environment was extraordinarily stable. i am usually able to switch dreams by focusing my attention solely on one object, and then when i pull my attention out again, the dream has changed. in this particular dream, i was holding objects and when i would focus my attention on an object, the object would turn into something like rusted aluminum. it would creak and sort of shrink and crumple in on itself. every object did this consistently in this dream. anyhow, i fell out of the dream at one point, and woke up a bit, turned over, and fell back into another lucid dream in which i was watching myself asleep in bed. i was nervous about looking right at myself and so i was looking at my sleeping reflection in a mirror. (i should note that this was not in real-time). when i lost lucidity, i woke up and then fell back in to another lucid dream. the rest of the night went on like this. the odd thing was that with the exception of the first two dreams,- i kept losing lucidity, waking up, turning over, and going back into the same dream. my question is - is this some sort of strange hyper-activity with my dreaming body? it seems really bizarre that i have had such trouble gaining lucidity naturally and that all of the sudden, for some reason, my entire night was so packed full of lucidity. I think i was lucid from about 2 or 3 in the morning until i got out of bed. this has happened to me once before - and i was baffled by it then - any ideas? and, why would i keep surfacing in the same dream? so much happened last night that i don't even really have a good idea where to begin working with it.
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Posts: 894 08/13/09 9:36 AM Outlaw	mothsdream wrote: last night i became lucid in a dream naturally (that is, not using binaural entrainment) for the first time since coming to phoenix a couple of months ago. the initial dream was relatively unimportant, i think, but extremely lucid. i was able to affect a lot of changes in the environment with my will...changing objects, etc. the dream environment was extraordinarily stable. i am usually able to switch dreams by focusing my attention solely on one object, and then when i pull my attention out again, the dream has changed. in this particular dream, i was holding objects and when i would focus my attention on an object, the object would turn into something like rusted aluminum. it would creak and sort of shrink and crumple in on itself. every object did this consistently in this dream. anyhow, i fell out of the dream at one point, and woke up a bit, turned over, and fell back into another lucid dream in which i was watching myself asleep in bed. i was nervous about looking right at myself and so i was looking at my sleeping reflection in a mirror. (i should note that this was not in real-time). when i lost lucidity, i woke up and then fell back in to another lucid dream. the rest of the night went on like this. the odd thing was that with the exception of the first two dreams,- i kept losing lucidity, waking up, turning over, and going back into the same dream. my question is - is this some sort of strange hyper-activity with my dreaming body? it seems really bizarre that i have had such trouble gaining lucidity naturally and that all of the sudden, for some reason, my entire night was so packed full of lucidity. I think i was lucid from about 2 or 3 in the morning until i got out of bed. this has happened to me once before - and i was baffled by it then - any ideas? and, why would i keep surfacing in the same dream? so much happened last night that i don't even really have a good idea where to begin working with it. Thanks for posting that! What you have described here is normal for lucid dreamers actually, its just sort of the way it goes. The objects that loose their shape are a result of your dreaming attention not being strong enough yet, when you complete your dreaming body it will stop happening. Having multiple lucid dreams in one night is a fairly common thing, this is just one of the clues that our dreaming bodies act on their own. That's cool that you saw yourself in bed sleeping, if you can pull this off after you have gotten your dreaming attention rock solid, it would be quite an experience, as you would also be able to feel the true nature of your dreaming body at that time. "The reason sorcerers have to take energy from the realm of inorganic beings is because there is no other viable energy for sorcerers." --Don Juan Matus Subscribe to Nagual
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Posts: 68 08/14/09 8:03 AM	as always, thanks for all of your help dreamways! that dream was unusual for me because i seemed to take a lot of initiative in it. it made me realize, in retrospect, that normally when i do dreaming, i don't "interact a lot with the environment - manipulate it, pick it up, etc. i ask questions and i try to touch or feel or experience things - but this dream felt very real in comparison to other dreams, which felt sort of fuzzy or like an acid trip. things were much more solid. i never really realized before that i either never really held things or never was as "present" in the dream before this. in regards to completing the dreaming body - is there anything to do besides the usual practicing inner silence, recapitulation, and hope for more dreams in which to work the dreaming body? when the dreaming body is more whole, does that on its own increase the frequency of dreaming? on another note, is it a waiting game or is there a way for me to know at this point in my dreaming whether my path is going to be a sorceric one or simply a lucid dreaming one? i have always felt affinity for sorcery and the IBs but it's obvious that we don't get to make the choices about how far we'll get with their help. Last Edited By: mothsdream 08/14/09 8:09 AM. Edited 1 time.
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